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bruce
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Posted on Thursday, 10 March, 2011 - 06:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello all,
I like a joke as much as the next guy, so I was intrigued to see this. At my local Sainsburys they have a box where you can recycle your old batteries. It's locked, but so many people had discarded old batteries that there was a pile on top, from which I nicked a couple of PP3s. Now, the PP3 is a horrid battery, of no use to man nor beast, but I re-use the connectors.
I had an ASDA PP3, the case of which looked like this:

ASDA  PP3 case

However, when I ripped the case open, guess what there was on the other side?

PANASONIC   PP3


Honestly, you just cant trust anybody.

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Posted on Thursday, 10 March, 2011 - 10:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bruce, are you suggesting that the factory that made this for Sainbury's, just reverses the 'double-printed' case part when they want to sell the same thing but cloned as the Panasonic brand?

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ant
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Posted on Thursday, 10 March, 2011 - 10:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello all,

Why not? I know someone whose job involved production line inspections in the food industry - it was common to see, say, chickens arriving on a conveyor and going down one side for a supermarket brand and the other side of the row of processors for another supermarket or recognised brand. Even the eye-drops that I've been experimenting with, looking for compatibility with me, seem to come in identical bottles!

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stylers
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Posted on Thursday, 10 March, 2011 - 11:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

strange that the case should be double sided.. GP make a lot of the worlds consumer batteries and re-package / re-brand for whoever is buying them..
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bruce
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Posted on Friday, 11 March, 2011 - 12:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Twintub,
I'm not necessarily suggesting that, or anything else that I could be sued for.
There could be any number of explanations; legal or illegal. Your guess is as good as mine. Unless you work in the factory that's doing it.

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Posted on Friday, 11 March, 2011 - 08:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Its also interesting that the Sainsbury's battery picture was of a PP3 (which is a 9v battery), and the bottom Panasonic picture says it's a 1.5v.

Perhaps somebody should Email Sainsbury's and ask them.
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bruce
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Posted on Friday, 11 March, 2011 - 09:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Joe 'Eagle-eyes',
I hadnt spotted that ( or the fact that it isnt an ASDA battery, like I said, but a Sainsburys one. I got muddled, because the other PP3 I nicked was an ASDA one, but the reverse of that case was blank, as you'd expect. )

Anyway, what do you reckon? Conspiracy or Cock-up?

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Posted on Friday, 11 March, 2011 - 11:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm guessing neither...

It's no great suprise that Sainsburys, ASDA, TESCO etc don't actually make their own batteries, but buy them from some company.

Perhaps Panasonic ordered a gazillion batteries then pulled out of the order and to save costs, the battery makers just turned the metal sheets over and printed on the other side.

On the plus side, that paint coating on the inside probably helps make the battery more resilient against leaking.
I'm suprised they didn't charge more for them !!
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Posted on Friday, 11 March, 2011 - 02:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Depends on their remaining capacity as to how much more you can charge them :-)

It'll probably be the battery maker reusing tinplate stock, by having it printed on the reverse. The tinplate will be made at a separate plant, and probably delivered to the battery factory in strips or rolls.
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Posted on Friday, 11 March, 2011 - 07:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It certainly casts doubt on the reliability of comparisons, by consumer organisations etc, of the relative capacities/lives of batteries of different brands, when all the batteries probably come off the same factory production line!

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Posted on Saturday, 12 March, 2011 - 07:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have always been loathe to buy Duracell in the past due to the rediculous high price demanded for them, and have usually bought 'branded' cells from what I thought were trustworthy names - Panasonic etc. However, I have had trouble with these brands, such as cells being unable to deliver much current despite measuring fresh at 1.5V i.e. they have high impedance. I had a TV remote control play-up recently, the cells were 'Philips' and measured 1.5V off-load but this sunk to the depths when a few milliamps was drawn by the remote!

It now seems that perhaps only Duracell (and maybe Energizer) are guaranteed to perform properly, but there's no way I'm going to take out a second mortgage for those!

What other brands have any of you found to be good performers?
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bruce
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Posted on Saturday, 12 March, 2011 - 08:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The answer to that question is that I rarely mess with alkaline batteries, but use NiCads. The only difficulty is that some devices ( I have a Samsung camera which is a total pain ) wont work with 4 Nicads, only with 4 alkalines.

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Posted on Saturday, 12 March, 2011 - 10:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is the usual own brand problem. It'll be Panasonic this week, Toshiba next, Philips the week after, etc..
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Posted on Sunday, 13 March, 2011 - 06:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

my geriatric sony digital camera will run for days on the same batteries that'her' new samsung digi shuts down on;alkaline or NimH seems to make bog all differencei hate to think what the current draw of the stoopid thing is...
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Posted on Sunday, 13 March, 2011 - 11:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Presumably the processors in some cameras (including that Samsung, my present Canon and my wife's Kodak) aren't happy running on anything less than 3V, hence require 2 fresh alkaline cells. If only the wretched chips were designed to run on 2V-3V we could have longer battery life and/or use NiCd/NimH cells.
I think a major current hog in many cameras is the flash, which charges up by default at power-on. I would prefer no flash by default.

Alec

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